NA brothers, we Putin now.（应该是欧洲人）
Vladimir Putin must have given them some of his special vodka stash there is no other explanation.
vp=vladimir putin confirmed
Calling the Russian team 'western' is an extremely dota thing
Arguing that Russian teams are eastern is as Dota as it gets.
Yeah, "East vs West" should be more accurately called "China vs the World"
Welcome to TI7 aka everybody hates China.
Russia defended the West from Asian invasion in multiple occasions. The capital and most other important Russian cities are in the West. Even today as the western countries are self-destructing, welcoming an invading foreign horde into Europe, the Russians oppose it. As far as I'm concerned Russia is more western than modern Germany or France.
... it's not 1941, dude. (that's an incredibly risky comment)
^ found the racist Trump voter
Kinda like everyone not from Korea is called "Foreigner" in the starcraft pro scene
And Korean LoL domination is only held back by the Worlds format (max 3 Korean teams out of 16), though they still don't lose to "foreign" teams in the playoffs at all.
I would be okay if they said the last Non-China hope or something like that.
Calling them "the West" is just unnecessarily ignorant.
Look at the style of architecture and the history of where they borrowed a ton from Italy, France, Germany, etc. They have their own element of style but they're definitely more western than anything else.
not to mention the majority religion is Christianity (Orthodox), something often connected with the west and even considered the foundation in some cases. Modern politics don't change over a thousand years of history.
Are you even serious ? Before the Cold War i'm pretty sure anyone would ve considered 90% of the CIS countries, even Russia, as European. CIS is political shit at the end of the day. Werent Russians Aristocrats speaking french in the 18/19th century ?
We were Europeans untill Communists. Now they are no more. And russian people becoming more and more "European-minded". We have close bounds with Europe.
Peter the First sure tried to make Russia into a European country in the early 1700s. And it pretty much was, until communism took over and everything got complicated.
it's just non China at this point, salty group A fans would label TNC "western" if they were the last one standing instead of VP
Its desperation. People need to mush up NA, EU and CIS together to have a chance of looking good compared to China.
CHINA NUMBA WAN
Its from old TI where you had west and east qualifiers. West was EU, NA and CIS
Well it makes sense because the NA, EU, and CIS regions together have roughly the same population of all of China.
Nope. The combined userbase of Dota2 between NA, EU and CIS is bigger than that of China.
Do you have a source for that? I'm not doubting it's true, I just want to know what the region breakdown looks like.
It's fair to mush up NA and EU and call it "Western," but to call CIS "Western" means you didn't pay attention during US history class.
Would it not be more appropriate to take wisdom from the Russian, European or the world history classes. Cause y' know, you in that sense you Americans are really the new kids on the block.
This is funny logic. So we in the EU would then be... center? Or are we east because we're closer to Russia than to you guys?
I said it's fair to mush up NA and EU and call it "Western." So why would EU be "center"?
US history class.
ah yes, because western = american?
If you want to go there, no. Western does not equal American, and Western does not include Russia.
如果你要这么说的话，不。西方不等于美国，但西方也不包括俄罗斯（If you want to go there, no不知道这么翻译对不对）
Indeed. But still its not really East vs West, because East is only China, so it is till a way to inflate the importance of "western" teams.
VP representing USA
West = NA, I thought this was common knowledge 4Head
VP SAVING THE WEST!
Russia part of Europe, end story
I wouldn't exactly categorize it as "east". At least the part that plays in eu servers Obviously geographically they're more in the east, but culturally I think they're way closer to us westeners(literally my neighbouring country) than what you'd generally think as east(korea, china, sea)
Lets settle them being the middle then if China is east and EU is west.
How is Russia the west?
In Dota not China or SEA is "west", since they play on EU servers. They're obviously not really west but we need to reach a bit from time to time.
In dota it sort of is since it's the sister region of Europe. In dota west is everything west of like India.
In terms of culture not location
How is Russia similar in culture?
Everyone who knows anything about history or politics just cringed at your comment.
Cold War anyone?
Dude, it's 2017.
Dude, Russia is still considered the East in 2017. Why do you think Russian teams often have the nickname of the beast of the EAST?
Politicians refer to Russians as part of the east. Historians refer to Russians as part of the east.
Dude, u are talking bullshit. Please, остановись, не позорься.
How is it not? Almost 80% of the population lives in Europe.
CIS is ex-Soviet Union. Soviet Union was not part of "The West" during the Cold War.
What does the Cold War have to do with it? Russian culture is part of Western culture. The Russian Empire was a western country.
OK, you are trying to argue that Russia is a part of West because let's forget about what happened in Russia between 1922 and 1991. Really?
okay so you wouldnt call e.g. czech team "the west" just because they were on the wrong side during cold war? LMAO
Czech Socialist Republic wasn't a part of the Soviet Union.
Czech Republic isn't a part of CIS.
Czech Republic joined the EU in 2004.
But we're not talking geopolitics here. We're talking Dota, and EU, NA, and CIS have always been considered the West.
NA and EU of course can be grouped together. Look at how many teams have both NA and EU players together: EG, DC (TI6), Secret (TI6), Cloud 9, OG (TI6), list goes on and on.
But for CIS teams, how many have NA and EU players on them? It was really just Na'Vi with Kuro. That tells you that you shouldn't group CIS together with NA and EU.
That's because Russians generally are not as fluent in English as other Europeans. But, the age old struggle in Dota has always been East vs West, East being China, and West being all other regions.